Author Topic: 2007-03-12 - Van Halen R&R Hall Of Fame Induction - Waldorf Astoria Hotel, New York City, NY, USA  (Read 98597 times)

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MTV article from today states that it is still unsure if VR will perform:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1553674/20070301/id_0.jhtml

Weiland, Slash To Honor Van Halen At Rock Hall; Revolver LP #2 Done

Velvet Revolver might perform in Van Halen's stead at induction ceremony; will tour in support of Libertad.

By Corey Moss, with additional reporting by Chris Harris

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Moreover, according to the band's publicist, Weiland and Slash will give the induction speech for honorees Van Halen during the 2007 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, set to unfold inside New York's Waldorf-Astoria hotel on March 12. In light of recent rumors, it's unclear whether Velvet Revolver will perform at the event in Van Halen's place — and whether any of the members of the latter band will even be present to accept the honor (see "Van Halen Reunion Tour Might Not Happen After All").
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that's so cool! =D thanx for posting !

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So... the press release says it's in New York, the Rock Hall Of Fame and Museum are in Cleveland... where will the performance be?

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/05003E42EBAF71CA?artistid=1102957&majorcatid=10005&minorcatid=0

The actual inductions are always held at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC.

Why they don't hold them AT the museum is beyond me.

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Sweet, good to see they're going to be on TV again.  8) It'll be great to see the boys on stage again.

Also, how big of douchebags do you need to be to not attend your own induction into the RnR Hall? That's ridiculous to me. It makes me lose what little respect I had for Van Halen, and I'm glad VR is there to pick up the slack.

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The Sex Pistols boycotted last year.

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The Sex Pistols boycotted last year.
I had no respect for them in the first place.  :lol:

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As far as bands boycotting the awards, it is pretty much known that the whole ceremony is about money.  Each table costs thousands of dollars(either tens or hundreds of thousands) and I think the bands even have to pay to attend their own ceremony.   Plus when bands have a falling out or whatever they may not want to act all cheery together just for the sake of it.  I still think its cool that VR are gonna be there for VH. 

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The Sex Pistols boycotted last year.

good for them! I was proud of them for boycotting it. I loved the message Johnny Rotten left on his website about it too.. "We're not going. You're not listening."   brilliant.. although I think if Sid Vicious was still around than they'd do it, because I know the remaining members are still friends.

anyways, back on topic... it kinda sounds as if Van Halen prefers the Chili Peppers as opposed to VR (that is, if they even knew about VR). I kinda hope VR does it, it's great publicity and a great way to market their new CD.

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As far as bands boycotting the awards, it is pretty much known that the whole ceremony is about money.
Since when do musicians have a problem with something being about money? Especially the Sex Pistols or Van Halen? Geez, Van Halen would have been charging upwards of $250 per ticket if their tour had actually happened.

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Yes but it's not money in their pockets. the HOF reeps the benefits.

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Since when do musicians have a problem with something being about money? Especially the Sex Pistols

Since they would have had to pay for their tickets for THEIR induction (which is a tad ridiculous in my opinion, "we will honor you, but you have to pay to be there") which were probably in the vicinty of $8K per seat or they may have been required to buy a whole table, I'm not sure...I remember Billy Morrison talking about it on Camp Freddy and that the Pistols would have had to pay their own way since they don't have a record label to foot the bill and then write it off....I think that I also remember Billy saying that Steve Jones wanted to go...but I could be mistaken on that point.

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thats always one thing that confused me... "The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame would love to honor you.... where should we send the bill?"

I undertand charging OTHER people to be there, but how are you gonna charge the people that are being inducted into it. Random. 

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how are you gonna charge the people that are being inducted into it. Random.  [/color]

The almighty dollar makes people do crazy things ;)

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Since when do musicians have a problem with something being about money? Especially the Sex Pistols

Since they would have had to pay for their tickets for THEIR induction (which is a tad ridiculous in my opinion, "we will honor you, but you have to pay to be there") which were probably in the vicinty of $8K per seat or they may have been required to buy a whole table, I'm not sure...I remember Billy Morrison talking about it on Camp Freddy and that the Pistols would have had to pay their own way since they don't have a record label to foot the bill and then write it off....I think that I also remember Billy saying that Steve Jones wanted to go...but I could be mistaken on that point.

Yes and Billy and Dave Navarro attended last year and were guests of Ozzy's. The table is $30,000. Considering the Pistols made NOTHING when they were The Sex Pistols I somehow doubt they could afford it now.

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how are you gonna charge the people that are being inducted into it. Random.  [/color]

The almighty dollar makes people do crazy things ;)

No kidding.

And the fact that things went down the way they did the Pistols and being about 15 years over-due with Van Halen, inducting them at a time where techincally they have no singer(s) or bass player makes the R&R Hall of Fame a total joke.

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To me, it's hypocritical to, as an artist, all of a sudden take offense to someone having the audacity to charging you for a seat or a table when a majority of these artists being inducted are charging an excessive amount of money per ticket to their own shows, thus fleecing their own fans. I really don't care if it's not money in their own pockets; it's not as if these guys are struggling as far as their pocketbooks are concerned. They should be honored to be even mentioned in the same vein as the bands inducted before them, and I'm sure a majority of their fans would love to see them accept that award.

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To me, it's hypocritical to, as an artist, all of a sudden take offense to someone having the audacity to charging you for a seat or a table when a majority of these artists being inducted are charging an excessive amount of money per ticket to their own shows, thus fleecing their own fans. I really don't care if it's not money in their own pockets; it's not as if these guys are struggling as far as their pocketbooks are concerned. They should be honored to be even mentioned in the same vein as the bands inducted before them, and I'm sure a majority of their fans would love to see them accept that award.

I think there is a difference between making a living and being charged for a "thank you" from the industry for all the hard work while making a livng. Ticket prices and this thing are two completely different things. It doesn't have that much to do with the fans, if anything. You and I ave no say who goes into the Hall of Fame.  :wink:

Besides, Van Halen, Black Sabbath and Sex Pistols tickets were about $5.50 back in their hay-day. Today, EVERYBODY charges out of the ass for concert tickets so it doesn't matter.
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To me, it's hypocritical to, as an artist, all of a sudden take offense to someone having the audacity to charging you for a seat or a table when a majority of these artists being inducted are charging an excessive amount of money per ticket to their own shows, thus fleecing their own fans.

I see your point that it would be hypocritical in most instances in the recent past...but surely you can't be saying that the Pistols overcharged their fans and are swimming in the dough now...

My point is...that if you are going to make it about the music and their musical achievement don't charge them...I am sure that there are people who could/should/would/may be inducted who aren't selling out Madison Square Garden at $1,000 per floor seat or $275 for nose bleed seats.  Shouldn't the hall of fame be about the music and not how much money they made? B/c like I said there may be people who are worthy of being inducted but because they didn't sell billions of records or billions in ticket sales (or perhaps the way their contracts were written when they were signed to the labels) would be prevented from attending their own induction b/c a table is a year's salary of a normal working schmo....

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I see your point that it would be hypocritical in most instances in the recent past...but surely you can't be saying that the Pistols overcharged their fans and are swimming in the dough now...
With the money they make on royalties, licensing, etc., I would think they are doing pretty well for themselves. I don't think they overcharged their fans (because this whole idea of overcharging fans is relatively new anyway), but if their were to be some "reunion" tour, I doubt they would hesitate to do so now.

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It doesn't have that much to do with the fans, if anything. You and I ave no say who goes into the Hall of Fame.
No, but there are alot of fans out there who view their favorite band being inducted into the Hall or receiving any award for that matter as a landmark occasion. These fans that have been there with Van Halen from the beginning would almost think of themselves as being on that stage with the band accepting that nomination. Hell, if STP were ever to be inducted, I would get goosebumps and be smiling ear to ear as they went on stage. I would think it complete bullsh** if they were to not show up when inducted, regardless of their present relationship. Suck it up for one night and at least show that solidarity for the fans.

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It doesn't have that much to do with the fans, if anything. You and I ave no say who goes into the Hall of Fame.
No, but there are alot of fans out there who view their favorite band being inducted into the Hall or receiving any award for that matter as a landmark occasion. These fans that have been there with Van Halen from the beginning would almost think of themselves as being on that stage with the band accepting that nomination. Hell, if STP were ever to be inducted, I would get goosebumps and be smiling ear to ear as they went on stage. I would think it complete bullsh** if they were to not show up when inducted, regardless of their present relationship. Suck it up for one night and at least show that solidarity for the fans.

I'll agree with you there for sure. I feel the same way about stuff like that. At the sametime, the Sex Pistols situation was a little different. That was a good case of "The Suits vs. The Band" bullshit, I think.

First off, I worshiped the ground EVH walked on growing up until I last saw them in concert in 2004, but that's another story. Hell, I've got a pretty nice part of right arm to proove it. They're my favourite band of all-time, hands down. I remember in 1996 when Van Halen went on stage with Roth to hand out an award at the MTV VMA's. It was the first time I had ever seen the "original band" on stage together in my life... Due to the fact I was just arriving on planet earth when "1984" was realeased. Anyway, I was going nuts and was really happy to see that even the Chris Rock's, the Nsync's and the Backstreet Boys were on their feet giving them a standing ovation. And they were only handing out an award! Now, I wasn't happy because Roth was standing with them because I can't stand him or the idea of him rejoining Van Halen. Regardless, he was there and played a big part in Van Halen obviously. I was just doing back-flips because they were getting the props that they deserve. So, I know where you are coming from.

But, the bottom line, especially in (Eddie) Van Halen's case, most artists don't give a shit about their Rock N' Roll 'hall of crap' induction. It's all about the might dollar and it's just another night of having a couple of hundred of their closest "Yes" people around them. The thought of Eddie and the band not being on hand on that night wouldn't surprise me nor upset me. Why? Because us Van Halen fans have grown to get used it. There was a time when Eddie would shy away from anything that had nothing to do with playing live or making a record unlike the ego-maniac minor leaguers we have today that will play party host and make appareances to anything and everything as long as their is a buck and a band/personal plug in it for them. Now and since 2004's ticket prices of $650 for first 5 row tickets, that I paid 6 times that tour, he's become just that. Showing up for enorsment appearances, his new line of $30,000 Fender guitars (not a joke), public booze-fests, porn movie soundtracks, and anything with a dollar sign at the end of it. What's my point in all this? As soon as the "Reunion Tour" with Roth was put on hold, all of a sudden there is no Hall of Fame appearance or performance. Therefore, no room for promotion for the tour or their 3rd "Best of" record... A.K.A. "something for the fans." So in the end, it's still all about the mighty dollar and nothing to do with fans.

Sure, I called it "making a living" a while ago, but I guess some people do it better than others without being so obvious. Sorry if I may have got off topic and decided to bash one of my idols instead. But I was just trying to make my point and state my opinion that events like these have nothing to do with us. The thought of it having someting to do with us on a genuine level and Van Halen (the whole band) making an appearance and throwing down a few songs for the fans is only a hope at this point.
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http://vhnd.net/articles/070302-04.shtml

"Today's Rock Facts" from Premiere Radio Networks

We can now tell you that all the members of Van Halen Eddie and Alex Van Halen, David Lee Roth, Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar have told the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that they will be attending the induction ceremony on March 12th in New York. Roth, Anthony and Hagar had said from the start that they would be there, and we learned last night (Thursday) that Eddie and Alex have reserved a table for themselves and their families. However, they will not be performing. Velvet Revolver will pay tribute to them, with the band's Scott Weiland and Slash actually inducting them. This marks the second year in a row that one of the inductees, who are all there and accounted for, will not perform. Metallica paid tribute to a non-performing Black Sabbath last year.

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